When people say this kind of thing is conspiracy nonsense I just wonder why things that apparently don't work need covering up.
It would be much more effective, easier & cheaper to just let the inventor embarrass themselves publicly when they fail.

 Hi ambrogino, this pic has been deleted, maybe you already noticed, aren't I supposed to get a message when they do that, anyway it might be better to reply in the religious thread if you want to, up to you

 brighton, there are many forms of terrorism

 There's considerable evidence suggesting that many of the ideas in the bible are older than the bible & in some case's even older than the story within says everything is. There's also a wealth of information from many different fields which is contradictory to the bible, several contradictions within it & more than one version of it. If I'm correct in thinking that the bible ( amongst others ) is claiming to be the definitive answer, the word of a deity & an m.o. for life that will get you where you want to go this has multiple consequences. .For one, although I admit I see many things as black or white surely there can only be one definitive answer, it should be accurate & ought to be the original, all by definition & given its author & claims. The evidence suggest's that these similar version's of events are the ideas of men, have been refined by man over millenia & are incorrect. I know what I mean but, I know I've gone off on all kinds of tangents there. I'm very tired lately & its hard to be brief & clear & accommodate multiple context & not be misinterpreted & not offend anyone etc, ( you see my point ) at the best of times, for me anyway. Hopefully despite that you can see my train of thought.

 Is that directed at me Nashmeyer? Instead of resorting to simplistic insults you could try & say something, preferably something relevant to the quote else its just a random post.

 Precisely the opposite is the truth, its impossible to believe in the bible without denying a vast amount of information.

 Sorry, I've pondered this for a while & I've still no idea what that mean's, why you said it or what relevance it has to Epicurus's statement.
If you'd like to elaborate by all means do so.

 Doh

 Thanks for your input

 I knew about Stan Meyer ( any relation I wonder ) but I didn't know he was dead, can't say I'm shocked. Pretty blatant poisoning him at a N.A.T.O. dinner for not accepting the 1 $billion & giving up his invention though. He's not the first & probably won't be the last.

  agreed, my points are void, I think Epicurus makes sense though, that was the point I was trying to make

 Seems to me that that thinking mean's he gave us the capacity to be evil. Why would he give his creation the capacity for evil thus creating a problem that didn't previously exist, he's only going to have to fix it later. If you make something from scratch why would you write bugs into the programme, especially if you could just make it prefect. If nothing existed previously then neither did we, if we're the cause/carriers of evil then evil is gods creation & more over he knew that before he did it. If his deity like attributes are to be believed then it would be silly to think that our existence is an experiment or for entertainment so what is the point, not of life, but of this particular construct.

 I don't think its quite the same as the tree thing.
His questions arise because bad things happen & we are around to witness it.

 So what would your response to Epicurus's statement be?
Please ignore the other bit, I didn't put it on there.

 innova say 4.0 but then surly measure across the curve & write 3.7, I say they're 4.0 because I think its the bit on the ground that count's

 That's what I thought